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scrictly referred to as “ye”
[edit]ye recently exclaimed only being called “ye” and that the name “kanye west” was a slave name. my thinking is that spotify and apple music are gonna refer to him as ye now instead of kanye west which brings up the question wether or not the article name should be called “Ye (musician)” or something like that instead of “Kanye West” Purpetic (talk) 20:11, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- We'll see. See WP:CRYSTAL. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:24, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
@Purpetic and Muboshgu: I've noticed that Ye's artist moniker on platforms such as Spotify, Apple Music and YouTube is still Kanye West, and his latest 2024 albums were released as Kanye West. So Ye is his legal name and Kanye West is still is artist moniker? Israell (talk) 18:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- That would suggest that "Kanye West" remains is WP:COMMONNAME. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ye should be referred to as "Ye". i've read through the talkpage archives and the arguments used to prevent moving this to its correct title are unpersuasive, especially WP:DEADNAME. the policy in the black community is that one should not "call someone out of their name", and i don't see any real reason to leave this page at its current title, but that's just my two cents. i will likely make a move request unless anyone can provide a persuasive reason to leave it at this title. Daddyelectrolux (talk) 20:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Daddyelectrolux, considering that there have been four unsuccessful requested moves within the past three years, each with essentially the same rationale, such a request could be viewed as disruptive. I don't see WP:DEADNAME used as an argument in the discussions but rather WP:COMMONNAME, which dictates that Wikipedia use the name that is most
commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources)
for the article title. That is policy. Unless you intend to refute that "Kanye West" is his COMMONNAME per that policy, the chances of a successful move appear slim. Throast {{ping}} me! (talk | contribs) 21:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)- consensus can change, and three years is a long time. Daddyelectrolux (talk) 05:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, maybe refer kanye west as Ye for when he is referenced in times after he changed his name Tulurm (talk) 06:54, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- consensus can change, and three years is a long time. Daddyelectrolux (talk) 05:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Daddyelectrolux, considering that there have been four unsuccessful requested moves within the past three years, each with essentially the same rationale, such a request could be viewed as disruptive. I don't see WP:DEADNAME used as an argument in the discussions but rather WP:COMMONNAME, which dictates that Wikipedia use the name that is most
Name within the article
[edit]I'm not asking about the article title, I agree that it should remain as is under WP:COMMONNAME. But this policy clearly applies only to the title and not to the name used in the body of the article. Given that the first sentence already introduces him as "Ye", I don't see any reason why he shouldn't be referred to as such throughout the rest of the article, i.e. "Ye is ..." as opposed to "West is ...". Especially because he specifically objects to being referred to as West. WP:DEADNAME is intended for transgender people but not applying the same rule here seems like a double standard in my opinion. 49.182.172.173 (talk) 11:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly, I agree. If the article respects the change of his legal and personal name enough to introduce him as such in the lead sentence, it seems fairly uncontroversial to refer to him as Ye throughout. BoldGnome (talk) 11:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- MOS:SURNAME says:
When a majority of reliable secondary sources refer to persons by a pseudonym, they should be subsequently referred to by their pseudonymous surnames.
Kanye West is his de facto pseudonym since a majority of RS still use it. Less importantly, he still uses the name on all major streaming services, see Spotify, Amazon Music, Apple Music, YouTube Music, Deezer, and Pandora. He's released music under the name as recently as February of this year. Throast {{ping}} me! (talk | contribs) 14:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)- This seems like a strange inversion of that policy. It is essentially saying that you should refer to someone by their preferred alias if a sufficient quantity of RSes do so (as opposed to their real name), but you are kind of stretching it to say that actually, "Kanye West" is his pseudonym... Which is technically true now, but that obviously isn't what the policy has in mind. I suppose
For people well known by one-word names, nicknames, or pseudonyms, but who often also use their legal names professionally use the legal surname
appears to support the status quo, but the key word here is "legal" and now that he has changed his name legally that can't be used as a justification. 49.182.172.173 (talk) 05:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC)- The line you cite pertains to legal surnames; "Ye" is a mononym. Generally speaking, we do what RS reflect over what the subject wants. When in doubt, we go with RS unless there are very clear exceptions carved out. There aren't here, so there's no reason to deviate. Throast {{ping}} me! (talk | contribs) 07:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- the problem with this argument is that it is not a "pseduonym" anymore. this is a legal name change, not a pseudonym. Daddyelectrolux (talk) 05:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- This seems like a strange inversion of that policy. It is essentially saying that you should refer to someone by their preferred alias if a sufficient quantity of RSes do so (as opposed to their real name), but you are kind of stretching it to say that actually, "Kanye West" is his pseudonym... Which is technically true now, but that obviously isn't what the policy has in mind. I suppose
Cultural impact of Kanye West - part 2
[edit]I discussed this idea several months ago and created a draft for it with the sources found in the discussion. I'm leaving it to the Yeditors in case anyone wants to pick it up and add info from the sources, and find more if needed. Draft: here. PantheonRadiance (talk) 03:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Should the allegations by former Yeezy chief of staff Milo Yiannopolous that Kanye is addicted to nitrous gas, as covered in numerous third-party news sources, be included somewhere in the article?
Obviously Milo is a dubious source, but the claims have made the rounds in news media sources so it might warrant inclusion. Coalah (talk) 23:02, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, these allegations have not been picked up by any mainstream reliable sources but rather tabloids. Per WP:PUBLICFIGURE, such allegations should only be included if covered by a multitude of reliable sources. Throast {{ping}} me! (talk | contribs) 16:25, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Please update the "2023–present: Vultures trilogy and Y3" section
[edit]Ye has since denied working on an album titled Y3.
Sources:
https://hiphopdx.com/news/kanye-west-y3-album-erick-sermon
https://www.xxlmag.com/kanye-west-denies-y3-solo-album-dropping/
https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/769387-kanye-west-shuts-down-solo-album-rumors-hip-hop-news CarbonLollipop (talk) 23:10, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Done [1] Throast {{ping}} me! (talk | contribs) 09:13, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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I want to add in Kanye's alleged nitro addiction, said by his former chief of staff, Milo Yiannopoulos, in the mental health section on Personal Life. Source: https://www.vibe.com/news/entertainment/kanye-west-chief-of-staff-nitrous-oxide-1234903939/ Junichsen (talk) 14:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Relying on a statement by Milo is... problematic, to say the least – macaddct1984 (talk | contribs) 15:20, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- I do have 2 more sources ( https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/834067-kanye-west-asks-dentist-nitrous-gas-troubling-text-exchange-hip-hop-news and https://pagesix.com/2024/08/15/entertainment/kanye-west-employee-shares-texts-of-rapper-asking-for-nitrous-gas/ ) but it leads back to Milo. I guess you can say "In 2024, Milo has said that Kanye is allegedly on a nitro addiction by his dentist." Junichsen (talk) 20:12, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Ye is way more than just a "rapper"
[edit]"One of the most prominent figures in hip hop" this is not correct it should look more like this "One of the most prominent and influential figures in modern popular music" 87.116.182.147 (talk) 10:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Vultures 2 needs more mentioning in Musical career section
[edit]I was looking at the Musical career section and noticed that in "Vultures trilogy and Y3" Vultures 1 is thoroughly summarized, but Vultures 2 had no mention. I edited the article so that it at least mentioned he released Vultures 2 but I think the summary of Vultures 1 needs to be cut down a little and Vultures 2 needs more weight. Squidb4ll (talk) 04:03, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that it's unbalanced. I removed some less noteworthy information from that section. Throast {{ping}} me! (talk | contribs) 16:48, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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The name of Kanye West's father, Ray West, does not appear in the infobox. Only his mother appears. I suggest, therefore, that you add Ray West to the infobox under the relation of father. Jnotl (talk) 14:56, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- As per Wikipedia policy, this should only be included if the article's subject (Kanye West) has one father who is either independently notable or particularly relevant - can you prove one of those? MadGuy7023 (talk) 20:09, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't paragraph from Early Life: His father, Ray West, is a former Black Panther and was one of the first black photojournalists at The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Ray later became a Christian counselor, and in 2006, opened the Good Water Store and Café in Lexington Park, Maryland, with startup capital from his son. not enough for his father's notability? Bunnypranav (talk) 06:17, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you're implying. Notable people's fathers often have their own short biographies featured in early life sections. To prove notability, you'd have to demonstrate that Ray West meets WP:GNG. Throast {{ping}} me! (talk | contribs) 08:00, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:GNG is about independent articles. Why don't we just add it to the infobox? It seems relevant to readers. Professor Penguino (talk) 08:53, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Relevant to two readers. Read MadGuy7023's reply again. Parents are added to the infobox if they are "independently notable" (i.e. meet GNG) or are "particularly relevant". A quote from the early life section isn't enough to establish either. Throast {{ping}} me! (talk | contribs) 10:39, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:GNG is about independent articles. Why don't we just add it to the infobox? It seems relevant to readers. Professor Penguino (talk) 08:53, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you're implying. Notable people's fathers often have their own short biographies featured in early life sections. To prove notability, you'd have to demonstrate that Ray West meets WP:GNG. Throast {{ping}} me! (talk | contribs) 08:00, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't paragraph from Early Life: His father, Ray West, is a former Black Panther and was one of the first black photojournalists at The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Ray later became a Christian counselor, and in 2006, opened the Good Water Store and Café in Lexington Park, Maryland, with startup capital from his son. not enough for his father's notability? Bunnypranav (talk) 06:17, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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template. Throast {{ping}} me! (talk | contribs) 17:05, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Link 396 is a 404... Please replace it with archived version
[edit]Section "Legal problems" citation s.no. 396 is now dead. Please replace it with archived version http://web.archive.org/web/20220511011738/https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2007-11-27-kanye-knievel_N.htm Neiyenz (talk) 04:20, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Done General Ization Talk 04:24, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks 👍 Neiyenz (talk) 04:43, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Preview
[edit]So I've noticed something recently. The first sentence is "Ye (born Kanye Omari West) is a . . ." but when hovered over on a link, the first sentence shows as "Ye is a . ." which I find confusing. I think we should add after parenthesis "Ye, more commonly known as Kanye West" or "Ye, formerly Kanye West, is a" or something like that. DualSkream (talk) 12:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
He was born in 1976?
[edit]I have a "Mandela Effect" he was born in 1976. Americaball23 (talk) 12:49, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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I would like to add more info to the 2003–2006: The College Dropout and Late Registration section, about his car accident, the metal plate in his chin, and through the wire, JimmyDogfishThe2nd (talk) 21:04, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Racist Antisemite
[edit]Kanye West MUST labeled a racist anti semite at the beginning of the post. 2601:246:5601:CA20:ED79:FF42:A7B9:B96 (talk) 04:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- That wouldn't be very neutral. Babysharkboss2!! (Trout me, pull the trigger.) 14:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- not neutral, you clearly have some sort of agenda if you want it at the very beginning of the article. 108.27.60.251 (talk) 19:41, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
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