Talk:List of rulers of Italy in the period 476–773

This is a list of Odoacer and the highly civilized Goths. The title "King of italy" is a lombard title. lombards are barbarians, like early Franks. Theodoric and his successors are not barbarians.

list is missing the lombard "dynasty"

I don't think Maximinus Thrax really counts as a "barbarian king," as he was a Roman citizen who became Roman Emperor. Kuralyov 20:16, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well,is this a traditional appelation or what? Otherwise we should move to "post-Roman Empire kings of Italy" or something. Most of these certainly weren't 'barbarian' in any sense of the word (linguistically, culturally, etc.) 83.77.216.101 18:48, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the last comment—at least inasmuch as the word barbarian needs to be glossed if readers are to understand what is meant here. The best you get following the barbarian link is

The Romans indiscriminately regarded the various Germanic tribes, the settled Gauls, and the raiding Huns as barbarians all.

On that basis, that part of the article which states

The term "barbarian" is more applicable to the Lombards than it is to Odoacer and to the Gothic kings:

seems like special pleading of some sort. Though for whom and against whom else I cannot begin to guess.

Nevertheless the fact that this is a very useful list—as attested not so much by my belief that it is, but that a lot of useful articles link to it—suggests that I should do the following

Delete the Lombard vs. Gothic special pleading (in the hope that it will be reinstated in a clearer form)
Move the article to List of rulers of Italy in the period 476–773
Redirect the current page to that one.

Any comments? Ian Spackman 14:24, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, in the absence of counsel to the contrary I have done just that. I hope I didn’t break any links in the process. Ian Spackman 17:06, 15 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]