Talk:Fire (classical element)

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This article should also include the Chinese element, which is not synonymous with the Western element. Courtland 03:09, 2005 Mar 14 (UTC)

Looks taKEN CARE OF CEYOCKEY —Preceding unsigned comment added by BrainiacMatt (talk • contribs) 22:57, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wiccan Tradition Section

Could any Wiccans visiting this page please improve the section on Wiccan tradition? Even with recent additions, it still pales in comparison with the similar section in the Air (classical element) article. The section there should be used as a guide. 67.160.13.15 05:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am a wiccan, and I have added a little today. I also corrected a few other things. The whole article needs more work though. Not to mention proper citations. I'll try to get back to it later. Pablo Dotro - The Mage of the Many Shadows 18:06, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Modern" Classical Elements

What's all this "Gas/Liquid/Informatics/Plasma/Solid" stuff in the illustration? This is not a generally accepted paradigm - please cite a source for these oxymoronicly "modern" classical elements or it's going to be deleted. Tarchon 21:33, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've only ever seen that paradigm in modern speculative fiction (specifically Lord Darcy series by Randall Garrett), although admittedly I'm not an expert. Whoever entered it may have been referring to that or some similar work. Akatari 21:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Miscellaneous

Fire is sometimes associated with red —Preceding unsigned comment added by BrainiacMatt (talk • contribs) 03:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

its kool'] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.146.210.45 (talk) 22:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DK

In-text cites such as DK B90 link to the citation for Freeman, Kathleen & Diels, Hermann; Ancilla to the Pre-Socratic Philosophers. What is DK and what is B90? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 18:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DK is an abbreviated reference to "Diels-Kranz", Die Fragmente der Vorsokratiker by Hermann Alexander Diels, (Ancilla to the Pre-Socratic Philosophers is the English translation).

Diels' method of labeling the fragments became a standard way of referencing the Presocratics, (also Plato & Aristotle). "B" is quotations:

“All things are an interchange for fire, and fire for all things, just like goods for gold and gold for goods” DK B90

It's just a citation for the Heraclitus fragment.—Machine Elf ¹⁷³⁵ 06:52, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is one of the most unique and obscure reference styles I have stumbled across. DK references a publication not referenced in the article. I could see this use in a professional publication where the audience is expected to know this, but this is a general encyclopedia.

The use of multiple instances of {{ref}} linking to one use of {{note}} creates invalid HTML output by creating duplicate ids; see the W3C markup validation for Fire (classical element). ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 13:25, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I wouldn't say "obscure" if it's like professional publications... (DK numbers are common enough on WP, typically with no link or explanation). The links provided in this article don't require the reader to be familiar with DK numbers... in fact, they're solely for the benefit of readers who aren't familiar with them. Those who are, just see the standard reference number (without having to click a meaningless one in order to see it). Still, like a regular "meaningless" reference, it just highlights the citation at the bottom of the page (which is under "Further reading" rather than "Notes" — maybe "References" and "Notes and references" would be better section names?)

Although the {{note}} template wasn't used, as you found, multiple {{ref}} templates linking to a single id generated invalid html because of duplicate span ids for links back; even though the links back weren't generated... (I suppose it does assume the reader knows about their browser's back button). It's easy enough to fix using normal [[#wikilinks]] with {{super}} instead of {{ref}} templates, so I did. Another option would be to <ref name="DK"/> parenthetical DK numbers but doesn't seem parsimonious somehow... Other ideas?—Machine Elf ¹⁷³⁵ 05:03, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good fix on the id issue. How many articles use this method? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 15:14, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tarot

I'm going to add a section on Tarot. Any contributions? ShermanCory (talk) 19:30, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Freemasonry

In freemasonry, fire is present, for example, during the ceremony of winter solstice

Perhaps in some, so-called Irregular jurisdiction, but not in any Lodge in Amity with UGLE (or indeed GLoS) of which I am aware. Nuttyskin (talk) 15:55, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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