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Father Damien

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(Uncontested -- July 13)

Father Damien - has a picture, and a TOC, and nice prose. RickK 23:51, Jul 13, 2004 (UTC)

  • Support. Johnleemk | Talk 10:38, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. Some minor points that need to be addressed. Jeronimo 11:22, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • The external links do not point to anything specifically about Father Damien. Since there are no book references either, there's no good lead given to find out more.
    • A movie was made about his life, but there's no mention of it here.
    • The picture, while so old that it is in the PD, could do with source information.
    • Some of the text seems overly dramatic, e.g. "A surefire death sentence", "sacrificed his life".
    • All my objections have been resolved to my satisfaction; support. Jeronimo 07:16, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • A related point to the overly dramatic text, this article seems to take a very pro-Damien POV. If he's loved by everyone, fine, but there's really no need for things like: "He showed them that despite what the outside world told them, they were worth his own life. He showed them that what was left of their lives was precious. He restored personal pride and dignity." This isn't really a factual statement, strictly; it's just bad prose. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 15:05, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. I added details about the photo of Father Damien and edited the main body of the article to address the pro-Damien POV issue and took out all that dramatization stuff. I also added details about the movie, Moloka'i: The Story of Father Damien. --Gerald Farinas 15:59, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. But it would be nice to have some account of the criticisms that RLS replied to. Markalexander100 03:04, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • I added a treatment of the criticisms of the Presbyterian church leaders of Father Damien, as suggested by Markalexander100. --Gerald Farinas 19:49, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Support, but some personal details on Damien's life (perhaps before the church) would be welcome. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 14:34, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Object - the article repeatedly refers to Hawaii as Hawai'i and Molokai as Moloka'i. They are the native language names, but definetely not the common ones. These are distinctly against policy. ("This is an English language encyclopedia, so for most geographical names of large and/or important features (countries, states, continents, oceans, seas, major cities, major rivers and lakes, etc.) the English name is used in preference to any term that is clearly from a language other than English." - Wikipedia:Proper names) →Raul654 07:25, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)
    • While the place names are official under the terms of the 1978 Hawaii State Constitutional Convention, I took →Raul654's concern over the use of the 'okina and removed instances of proper-Hawaiian place names and replaced them with their American translations to satisfy the anti-Hawaiian-language movement that is quite pervasive at Wikipedia (Talk:Hawaii) --Gerald Farinas 14:23, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Support now; looks good. Also, Gerald, you should read the Wikipedia:Naming policy poll. →Raul654 14:56, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)
    • I didn't realize there was a poll. Thanks for the link. --Gerald Farinas 15:16, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
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