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Ok, first of all, this page was proposed in jest (see "List of fictional people who were cremated" above). Secondly it has 1 person on it (though yes, more could be added), third, I believe it wasn't Macbeth but MacDuff who was "untimely ripped from his mother's womb" (or whatever the quote was, I can't remember), and fourth, I believe he's not fictional (Macbeth wasn't anyway), although his birth by caesarian certainly could be. I mean, yeah, this eventually could serve a purpose, but as the comments on fictional cremated people stated, there isn;t a page like this for real people, who I think generally take precedence. -R. fiend 04:35, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

  • So add the page about real people, as I did for real people who have been cremated.--Samuel J. Howard 05:41, Aug 16, 2004 (UTC)

Delete. Although I have to admit that the idea made me chuckle. Klanda 05:05, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

  • Keep. I created it because this is notable in Macbeth at least, I fixed that it was Macduff who was the character. Note that while Macbeth incorporates some historical elements it is a work of fiction. I came up with a second example already, other people may be able to come up with others. Give it a chance, it's new.--Samuel J. Howard 05:41, Aug 16, 2004 (UTC)
    • Well, in that case the same could be said of Caesar himself. But anyway, VfD policy gives you time to make the article into something worthwhile. We'll be here for a week or so. Do your best, and good luck. -R. fiend 06:27, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Fringely marginal at best. Fuzheado | Talk 08:24, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Reminds me of list of people who have not committed suicide. Delete. Lacrimosus 12:31, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete: Other than MacDuff, who do we have? Seriously. I can think of real people delivered that way (including me (non-notable, original research, a stub) and Caesar), but I've been trying to think all day about any other fictional C-sections. Agreed that it's important to the plot, but, um, that's covered in Macbeth. (On the list of people who have not committed suicide, does a person have to remove his or her name before killing himself? Perhaps it should be a national list.) Geogre 16:45, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
    • I'm no fan of lists, but they're here, so the redirect and subsection is a good solution. Geogre 16:49, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete, not encyclopedic information. I'm not aware of any fictional contexts where delivery by C-section is at all notable except for the one already discussed. --Michael Snow 20:49, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. All stated reasons, too short (not going to find many takers in this) and generally not a notable reason to set people apart. --Golbez 21:36, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete, will never be an interesting or useful list. (Besides, I never liked that plot device in Macbeth. Don't know enough about what the word "born" meant to Elizabethans to judge whether it seemed like a clever or satisfying riddle back then—but I have my suspicions. I was recently overjoyed to have a surmise of mine about about Tolkien confirmed: that he created the Ents because, as a kid he'd been so dissatisfied with the wretched way in which Shakespeare realized the concept of Birnham Wood coming to Dunsinane. You could enlarge the topic to "List of fictional people with unusual birth circumstance" and add David Copperfield (the DIckens character, not the magician), because was born in a caul... [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 23:38, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Weird, but has potential. I can't think of additions offhand, but I bet there are quite a few. I know I've come across such things in my reading. It's pretty much trivia, but we have some far less interesting (and far more readily available) trivia. -- Jmabel 01:39, Aug 17, 2004 (UTC)
  • The best chance I think this has is if (like with the fictional cremations article above) it's merged with a potentially longer list of real people who were C-sectioned. If someone (not me, I'm looking in your direction Sam Howard) wants to make such a list then go ahead and add these two in a section at the bottom. I'm not exactly sure how useful such a page will be, particularly with c-sections being as common as they are these days. It's almost not notable, but I'm willing to give it a chance. -R. fiend 02:46, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
It is common enough, that I agree a list of real people who were born by c-section is not by itself notable enough. Thinking it over, this can go at the bottom of the actual article on c-sections, I'll move the content there and make this a redirect. We can then delete that redirect when the comment period is over as it is not a likely search term. If someone feels we must, they can list it on redirects for deletion instead though.--Samuel J. Howard 03:37, Aug 17, 2004 (UTC)
  • I can go with that. Retract my "keep", this will do. -- Jmabel 05:44, Aug 17, 2004 (UTC)
  • That seems like a good solution. -FZ 17:43, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • I'm fine with that, too. The list of C-sections, and then a subdivide on "fictional" C-sections. (Oh, and Tolkein does his own game with the "killed by no man" thingie. I could go on for a while about Anglo-Saxon riddle formats and stuff, the classical riddle, etc., but I suppose there isn't much point.) Geogre 16:49, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Delete Like someone already pointed out, this article was suggested (originally be me) as a joke in my vote on List of fictional people who were cremated. I was only trying to point out the non-encyclopedic value of that article by suggesting this absolutely absurd topic. Amusing that someone actually created it but not worth keeping. RedWolf 05:20, Aug 18, 2004 (UTC)

Delete. This is ridiculous, both worthy of ridicule and absurd. - Centrx 21:24, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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