Talk:Border states (Eastern Europe)

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Where is this term actually used? --Wetman 08:05, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Interbellum history, particularly with regard to the affected countries. --Johan Magnus 08:31, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Czechoslovakia?

I've removed Czechoslovakia from the list for following reasons:

Czechoslovakia won independence from Austria-hungary, not Russia.
I've never seen this term in connection with Czechoslovakia. Czechoslovakia had no border with Russia (only with Ukraine) and wasn't directly threatened by World Revolution.
Czechoslovakia was created as a buffer state, but Germany was the main threat.
Main allies of Czechoslovakia in 20s was (in central and eastern europe) Romania and Serbia (which is missing in this list).

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved and not moved, respectively. --BDD (talk) 22:22, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

– In English, the term "border states" most often refers to the slave statse that remained in the Union during the American Civil War and not to the states of the post-WWI cordon sanitaire. Several Google Book searches back this up, but you can try for yourself (compare /"border states" + missouri/ with /"border states" + poland/, or /"border states" + "civil war"/ with /"border states" + "soviet union"/). The size and referencing of our article is also evidence in itself. Srnec (talk) 01:03, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'd Support the move to "Border states (Eastern Europe)", but I would Strongly Oppose moving "Border states (American Civil War)" into it's place. The terms are far too generic and there is no clear primary topic. Let them both have descriptive names and change "Border States" to a Disambiguation page. --Rushton2010 (talk) 01:39, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support first move, oppose second move - as Rushton2010. The term (with small b and small c) is inherently ambiguous and ideally Border states (disambiguation) should be moved to WP:PRIMARY location. The term (with small b and small c) is inherently generic; e.g. Gardini Latin American Foreign Policies 2011 "With viable agriculture struggling to survive in Brazil's border states, including Acre, Rondonia, and Amazonas, an influx of deported farmers would only exacerbate an already tense situation." and so on... In ictu oculi (talk) 01:41, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Echo Rushton2010 and In ictu oculi. —BarrelProof (talk) 02:21, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support of the first move. Mild support of the second as per usage in reliable sources, but I see that there may well not be a primary topic. Red Slash 04:17, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. If "Border states" becomes the disambiguation page, I still think "Border states (American Civil War)" should be moved to "Border States", as it is a term of art, unlike the "border states" of Brazil. Srnec (talk) 04:22, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support Moving the present Border states article to Border states (Eastern Europe); oppose moving Border states (American Civil War) to plain Border states. I doubt there's a primary meaning of this term used internationally. 168.12.253.66 (talk) 21:05, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Echo Rushton2010. --Whiskey (talk) 21:15, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal

Pursuant the developing consensus, I propose to the closer that we move this page to the proposed title, move the disambiguation page here, and then perhaps file a later move request for the U.S. civil war article to Border States. But that can be dealt with later. Consensus is pretty clear here for at least the one! Red Slash 05:03, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.