Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Fanny Blankers-Koen/archive1
Self-nomination. I nominated this article before (see [1]) , when it was only rejected because of the lack of a (decent) image. I now added one which I think is fair use, but I'm not at all sure about this. Please have a look. Jeronimo 17:45, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Support. I could not stop reading. Denni☯ 01:17, 2004 Sep 17 (UTC)
- Support. I agree with Denni. - Ta bu shi da yu 07:18, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Object, on the grounds that the three footers at the bottom are ill defined and too bulky. Convert them into categories. The relation among the women are too minimal. --Jiang 02:14, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)- These footers have been added to many articles already, and I think they add interesting information to the article. The relation between the women is similar to that of the countries of a particular continent, clubs of the MLB and several other topics that have similar footers. I could make them less "bulky" by giving them a smaller font size, just like f.e. the country templates. Would that be sufficient? Jeronimo 06:51, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- It's a tricky one. I like the information they give to the article, but they do look kinda bulky. Not sure how you'd fix this, maybe the reduced font will work. - Ta bu shi da yu 07:18, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- That would help, but I still believe the listing would be better served with a category. It would only be just another click away. Countries of a particular continent often share similar cultures and have to deal with each other more frequently. These women won in different years and could have never met each other. What does a category fail to accomplish? --Jiang 07:42, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- * 1) I don't like categories. For example, I could put Fanny Blankers-Koen in: athletes, track and field athletes, female athletes, Dutch athletes, Olympians, Olympic medallist, Olympic 100 m champion, died in 2004, lived in Amsterdam, and so on and so on. While this may be ridiculous, I've seen several of such category schemes develop. But that's another topic. 2) If your complaint is that such footer templates shouldn't exist because there's no relation, I think most of these can be removed. Really, what do Belgium and Bulgaria (Europe template), Canada and Turkey (NATO) or Uruguay and the British Virgin Islands (Americas) have in common? It's not much more (or less) than Fanny Blankers-Koen and Marion Jones. 3) I agree that having three of these templates makes it a bit ugly, yes. So, I'll remove these templates from the article, since I'd rather see the article being featured than having the article with the footer buth without featured status. Jeronimo 21:23, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Other bad templates existing certainly does not constitute some sort of excuse for these bad templates. I've put these bad templates on WP:TFD; I suggest you do the same for those bad templates - David Gerard 21:51, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- I'm not doing anything with these templates save from removing them from this article (already done). The whole topic is confusing. Reading the article on article series boxes, it seems that these footers ARE appropriate here. I can answer all four questions with "yes". However, I don't want to be involved in a debate about these or other boxes and categories, just in a debate about this article. There are no boxes in it now, so I'd like to continue with other issues with the article (if any). Jeronimo 06:57, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Support. Ambi 15:18, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Object while those footer boxes are templates. As per Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes, they're all natural categories. I realise this will require the article to be pending here while it's dealt with on WP:TFD - David Gerard 21:22, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)- The objections of Jiang and David Gerard have been resolved several days ago, and I've taken the liberty of striking out their objections. Jeronimo 06:49, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)