Talk:List of culinary fruits

Including a picture collumn for the charts

I believe that this list would benefit greatly from a column dedicated to images of each fruit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:344:C300:3FF0:6CD2:A290:621B:9E58 (talk) 21:40, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

You guys are missing citrus fruits

You guys are missing citrus fruits

User:Malteseclock

No, citrus fruits are there look at this article. Most citrus fruits are classified into the family Rutaceae

Here's the article

In the important genus Citrus (Rutaceae), some members are tropical, tolerating no frost. All common species of commerce are somewhat hardy:

Lemon

Citron (Citrus medica)

Clementine (Citrus reticulata var. Clementine),

Grapefruit (Citrus paradisi)

Hybrids of the preceding species, such as the Orangelo, Tangelo, Rangpur (fruit) and Ugli fruit

Kumquat (Fortunella)

Lemon (Citrus limon)

Limes

Key Lime (Citrus aurantifolia)

Persian lime Also known as tahiti lime.

Kaffir lime (Citrus hystix)

Mandarin (Citrus reticulata),

Orange, of which there are sweet (Citrus sinensis) and sour (Citrus aurantium) species

Pomelo (also known as the shaddock) (Citrus maxima)

Sweet Lemon (Citrus limetta)

Tangerine, and similar Amywiki96 (talk) 21:12, 25 July 2008 (UTC) <(^-^)> Always here to help! You're welcome

Kemunting

I just added Kemunting under Tropical Fruits. Buah kemunting was my favorite wild berry when I was living in rural Terengganu, Malaysia. However, I do not know the Latin name for it. If anyone does, please add it.

Michael is this your fruit: Rhodomyrtus tomentosa you can google pictures descriptions... of it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.73.0.29 (talk) 20:56, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Feijoa

I'm not sure where this goes. I'll leave it here til I find out. Tristanb 06:00 19 May 2003 (UTC)

• Feijoa

Poha

Does anyone know where the poha should go on this list? Wiwaxia 02:00, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

An argument could be made for not separating the list into divisions as it is now. WormRunner 04:17, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I'd agree - sorting by family would be my preference. - MPF 22:27, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I also think all true fruits (i.e., tomato should be included. - MPF 22:28, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)

What about the OLIVE  ?

I am pretty sure the olive is a fruit. See http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/olive.html That seems like a fairly significant omission from this list.

Yes and yes. Why don't you add it? Pollinator 03:14, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)

Olive and cherry are drupes. It hasn't been decided here whether this is a culinary list or a botanical list. Since it's not an exhaustive list, a retitling would be sensible: List of some fruits commonly available in markets or the like. Wetman 03:33, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Olive is a drupe is a fruit and it is commonly available in markets around the world, including my home town. I just added it to the list. See how easy that was? WormRunner | Talk 04:35, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yup. Oxford English Dictionary is the primary source for definitons "Drupe = A stone-fruit; a fleshy or pulpy fruit enclosing a stone or nut having a kernel, as the olive, plum, and cherry. "

Elton John

I removed Elton John from the list of American Fruits... I firstly believe he is British and secondly should be under the headding of inedible fruits.

Christoferine

Please someone knows botanicals for the "Christoferine" ?:[[1]]

• Christoferine = chayote = Sechium edule (a sort of neotropical perennial squash, distinguished by its single large seed)
  Christoferine is apparently the common name used in Francophone tropical regions. I'll add it to the main list--starfarmer*comm 20:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

PENWICH ANYONE?

Has anybody ever heard of a fruit called "penwich" ???

• I've seen "penwich" used on Vietnamese menus to mean pennywort, specifically Centella asiatica, also known as Gotu Kola or Asiatic Pennywort. It is not a fruit but rather a leafy vegetable used both culinarily and medicinally. Served as a cooling drink it is called rau ma tuoi; with coconut it is called rau ma nuoc dua tuoi
  --starfarmer*comm 20:57, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

the Fruit Book - linkspam?

User:163.139.215.193 removed THE FRUIT BOOK- Encyclopedia of fruits from the External links as 'linkspam'. I've looked at it, and while it has ads, the site itself looks useful. - Dalbury^(Talk) 17:22, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

I remember looking at that link a few weeks back. I also thought it was borderline linkspam, but perhaps just on the right side. I don't think we loose much by not having it, but if you wanted to put it back in I wouldn't be much troubled either. -- Solipsist 16:23, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

It's not important enough to me to put it back without a consensus that it should be there. I was just curious about it. - Dalbury^(Talk) 18:09, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

It is useful. My kid like their flah card.

Edibility

Are all these fruits edible?

That's what the introduction says (except for the ones listed in section 9, Inedible fruit. Of course, you might find some of the fruit unpleasant (read about Durian, for example), but people have adopted a very large number of fruits into regional diets. -- Dalbury^(Talk) 03:29, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

latin names not 100%

You forgot to add some latin names, e.g., for shiikuwasha, yuzu, ice plant. -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.200.105.228 (talk • contribs) 00:59, 8 February 2006.

Anyone can edit the page. Be bold and go for it. -- Solipsist 10:29, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Fruits by season

Is anyone else interested in a page listing when fruits (and vegetables) are "in season" for various regions? I would add it but I'm not sure where to start or what sources to use. Jonathan Kovaciny 14:37, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Sounds fairly impossible to me. Strawberries are in season in the summer in Finland but in winter in Thailand, while mangoes are in season in Singapore in the summer but in Australia in the winter, etc etc. Jpatokal 05:25, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Ditto above, for many the notion of seasonal availability of many fruit and veg' no longer applies, as they are either exported/imported or grown "in captivity" User:ForteTwo 02:38, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Overhaul

Looking over this page and the current discussions finally made my head pop. I had been looking for a list of "fruits one might buy at a supermarket" for something interesting to try ...

Thinking about ways to order this data - there is no single good way to suit everyone's needs, this is something that can only be served well by a database query. So I argue for there being little point in attempting to order the list and instead rely on the browser's "find" function to locate a fruit's entry in the page. Failing that however, I'd do away with the categories that currently exist completely and go for a list by common (*culinary*) name, since that appears to be the primary reason for this page (I'd opt for ordering by family if this were a more scientifically oriented list of all fruit bodies). In fact I say it should be a list within a table that had columns for: other names, Latin name(s), origin, the possibly woolly "category" (i.e. berry, citrus fruit, nut or seed (there is that section on podocarps)), etc.

Perhaps there should also be a page of "fruit bodies" too, a superset of fruits, that can also include not only the tomato but also the cucumber, aubergine and even pumpkin?

I very nearly attempted a trial rehash for those who cared to consider but realised I didn't have that much time right now so rather than start something I couldn't finish ...

User:ForteTwo -- I, as a anonymous user and also under this name, have been guiding this pages development for some time now (though I has no hand in developing the sorting system or general page format).

The categories that currently exist are rather redundant, I must agree. The common names, as you have seen, are variable and many, even for a single fruit. The science - the binomial naming system- is the only way that we can accurately list these plants, even if it is for culinary usage mostly. I agree with you, but I think the common names listing would be a mistake, and by family would be to, because as you can see, the families are quite varied and obscure. The rose family has a big take in it, but the regional categories are important because they act as a catch for those plants im miscellaneous families. Currently the regional listings should be done away with because most people don’t know the area of many of their fruits origin . If you get in contact with me, I would like to help in overhauling this page, and it will go faster with two people. Fledgeling 16:32, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Fruit definition and podocarps

This article would be improved by including a definition for culinary fruit. What exactly is a fruit in the culinary sense of this article? Wiktionary says a fruit is "Any sweet, edible part of a plant that resembles fruit, even if it does not develop from a floral ovary; also used in a technically imprecise sense for some sweet or sweetish vegetables, such as rhubarb, that resemble a true fruit or are used in cookery as if they were a fruit." [2]

Give that gymnosperms do not produce true fruits, do podocarps belong on this list? Are podocarps seeds sweet? Fruit terms are often misapplied to gymnosperm seeds or cones, such as podocarp fruits, gingko nuts, pine nuts, yew berries and juniper berries. If podocarps are included then what about yew, ginkgo, juniper and pine because nuts and berries are types of true fruits?

What about sweet potato pie [3], sweet green tomato pie, [4], sweet eggplant pie [5], and similar uses of vegetables in sweet pies? Plantguy 00:10, 1 August 2006 (UTc)

• Podocarp cone flesh is sweet, juicy, and aromatic... and many are prominent features in the diets of native peoples who inhabit their general ranges, mostly in the southern hemisphere, even if they are not commonly eaten today.The juniper berries are generally not platible;even if they edible, and no one really eats yew berry flesh because of perceived toxicity. Pine and ginko SHOULD be added to the list of nuts if it has not been already. If you are using ‘pie’ in the sense as a baked good, no it should not be added Fledgeling 02:24, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for the information. I added the Wiktionary culinary fruit definition to the opening. The last statement in the introduction is unclear, i.e. "There exist also many fruits that are edible; however, for various reasons have not become popular." It does not say if the edible, but not very popular, fruits are to be included in this list. Plantguy 23:06, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Banana?!

Where is banana? I would have thought it was a fruit. Don't know what section it is in, but the Banana article says it is a fruit. Fixed it..it had been deleted...added again ,Jasonauk 01:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Source for Rhubarb poisoning

With respect to the Rhubarb poisoning item, it would be nice if we could be more precise than "People occasionally die". A pubmed search comes up with:

[Rhubarb poisoning. Causal connection - oxalic acid or anthraquinones?] Tidsskr Nor Laegeforen. 1980 May 20;100(14):959-61. Norwegian. No abstract available. PMID: 7404546 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[ACUTE RENAL FAILURE AND JAUNDICE FOLLOWING RHUBARB LEAF POISONING.] Dtsch Med Wochenschr. 1964 Dec 11;89:2379-81. German. No abstract available. PMID: 14225041 [PubMed - OLDMEDLINE]

INGESTION OF RHUBARB LEAVES AS CAUSE OF OXALIC ACID POISONING. Ann Paediatr Fenn. 1964;10:228-31. No abstract available. PMID: 14166252 [PubMed - OLDMEDLINE]

and some other similar ones. But I don't think the articles themselves (or even abstracts) are online, so we shouldn't add them to the article unless someone actually looks them up.

I guess we should keep looking. Kingdon 22:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Myrica rubra (Yan fruit)

Is the species of plant that produces fruit called Myrica rubra the same as the Chinese Long Yan fruit, I am slightly confused it is orange (the Yan fruit) and you can find images of it from google can someone with some knowledge about chinese fruit clarify that for me. And on a related point is its common name Yan after YCS or is that misinformation? I am doing a report on exotic fruit so help appreciated. Thanks.

Mergers

Merge - Someone proposed merging Tropical fruit and List of tropical fruittrees into this page but no discussion was made about it. JohnnyMrNinja 08:06, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I would agree, provided this article is moved to List of culinary fruits, where it would be a useful addition to Wikipedia. Under the current title, despite the disclaimer, it has potential to become a hodge-podge of mature ovaries and other edible and inedible plant parts (there is already a section on inedible fruits, which belies the disclaimer).--Curtis Clark 14:07, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

As this is an annotated list, and I am no expert in fruit or botany, I don't want to try merging as I'll probably screw it up. But I did make this sandbox with all three lists in it. If someone could merge them (taking out what doesn't belong), that'd be great, otherwise some administrator will likely come through and shove them together to get rid of the backlog (the first merger was proposed in September 2006). JohnnyMrNinja 19:42, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I combined the lists and removed the duplicates. Next step is to remove those that aren't culinary fruits and aren't intolerant of frost (and probably remove those that are nothing but redlinks).--Curtis Clark 20:18, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm happy enough with it that I'm going to merge it, but it still needs work, primarily consulting the articles for alternate names and fixing redirects.--Curtis Clark 22:56, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Mergers and redirects are now complete.--Curtis Clark 23:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Inedible fruits and Unsorted

I have made a separate article for list of inedible fruits, as they obviously did not belong here. I hope someone can take care of that Unsorted section. This is Wikipedia list, everything can be sorted (and if it can't it doesn't belong here). JohnnyMrNinja 19:46, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Alphabetization of fruits on list

Hi - I just alphabetized the ones that were out of order. I think I got them all, but will take a look again later. Angela C 14:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Fruits of Asian origin

Err, this section ought to be renamed "Fruits that are rare in North America or Europe". Apricots, Peaches, Pears, Apples and Oranges are all originally from Asia. Dyl (talk) 17:16, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Delete Mung Bean : it's not a 'fruit'

The pigeon pea also does not belong as a tropical fruit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.213.12.252 (talk) 17:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Fruit catigorisation's a mess

Please revert the fruit catigorisation as follows:

• Temperate fruits
• Mediterranean fruits
• Subtropical fruits
• Tropical fruits

under these main divisions, you can place the asian, australian (-->replace this by "oceanian") and other subregions. An alternative is the use of the exact climate type; which is offcourse (eg tropical wet and dry, tropical wet, dry arid, dry, moderate mediterranean, ...

in addition to the possible reindexation into other subcategories; cacti and melons should be put under the respectively subtropical and mediterrenean section (or exact climate type-variants; eg dry arid and moderate mediterranean). Finally pumpkins/gourds, ... are I believe tropical.

Please reindex everything because at present, its really a mess thanks KVDP (talk) 14:59, 23 July 2008 (UTC) 12:42, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree it's a mess. Another possible organization would be by continent of origin. In both this and your suggested categorization, fruits might not be found where expected, e.g. your point about pumpkins, and grapefruit may have originated in the New World, even though most citrus are Asian.

Because it's a list of culinary fruits, perhaps a culinary basis for organization would be better, but being a botanist rather than a chef, I'm not sure what that would be.--Curtis Clark (talk) 20:03, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

As you basically agree in the recategorisation, perhaps we can get started already; I propose moving the asian, north american ,... subcategories already under the main divisions (subtropical, temperate, ... or their true climate counterpart). We can do this by using level 2 headlines for the main divisions and level 3's for the secundary ones. It will also inmediatelly provide people the hint what the intention is and they can cooperate in moving the plants to the right category (atleast the ones they know). As such, only the last part we'll need to mnually look up and place in the cats ourselves (which is then only little work anymore).KVDP (talk) 14:59, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

To assist in the effort; here's already 2 sites to index (a small part) of the crops:

• http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/Indices/index_ab.html and
• http://www.amazon.com/Origins-Fruits-Vegetables-Johnathan-Roberts/dp/0789306565 (see comment below)

Also a small explination why I propose my indexation: this is mainly to provide people the best view of what they could plant in the area they live in (eg with the categorisation "tropical plants", you don't know whether you are dealing with a plant which can grow in a moist or arid environment (in the open field that is, without needing to have a greenhouse or special equipment)

But, see, that's where I disagree. The article is about culinary fruits, not cultivated fruits (and in fact some culinary fruits are harvested primarily from the wild). I think a culinary categorization would fit the article title better. Unfortunately, that's not my expertise, so I have nothing to offer.

I agree that anything would be better than the current hodge-podge, but I'm concerned that moving to your arrangement would "lock down" the article: It would be easy for someone to propose a culinary grouping for the current mess, but there may well be resistance once it is sorted biogeographically.

I'm sorry to be so unhelpful, but I'm bothered by the disconnect between the article title/intro and your proposed arrangement.--Curtis Clark (talk) 12:49, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Food and drink to see whether we can get some more editors involved.--Curtis Clark (talk) 14:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I guess the geographical organization works for me (especially for fruits which are not widely cultivated or shipped outside a certain geographical area). I certainly think of Asia when I think of Durian or Lichi for example. I guess my main thought would be to scope the list to only fruits which are reasonably widely sold, eaten, etc, not those which could be eaten, used to be eaten, etc. So for example in North America I'd remove Podophyllum peltatum because I don't think I've ever seen it served or for sale, even though the plant is reasonably familiar to those who walk though the woods. As for a culinary classification, would be interesting to see if any of the food and drink project people have any thoughts, but I'm not sure how that would work - something like an apple or a peach can be used both in sweet dishes and savory ones. Another distinction would be economic, along the lines of the major oils versus everything else at List of vegetable oils. Kingdon (talk) 03:22, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Another idea here, perhaps the some people at the International Centre for Underutilised Crops (ICUC) and the Global Facilitation Unit for Underutilized Species (GFU) can offer us assistance on this. Some contacts: Hannah Jaenicke and Professor Sayed Azam-Ali (mail: h.jaenicke@cgiar.org, sayed.azam-ali@nottingham.edu.my) Someone sent them a mail ?

81.245.170.131 (talk) 11:00, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Missing families

There were many different families missing from their fruits, like Elaeocarpaceae, Rutaceae, and Passifloraceae. I plan on patching up the tropical fruit section soon, but I have finished Asian, Australian, and the berries.

Amywiki96 (talk) 21:22, 25 July 2008 (UTC) <(^-^)> Always helping! You're welcome!

The tomato issue

I removed the tomato from the 'berries' list. First, the page is about "culinary" fruits, and the introduction explicitly mentions why the tomato is NOT included in the list. (So I don't know who added it and why) Second, we get it, the tomato is not only a fruit, but also a berry. However this is not a botanical page; it's culinary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.255.209 (talk) 08:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I have just noticed that the explanation at the top says:

They are classified as vegetables in the culinary sense, (for example: the tomato, cucumber, zucchini, and so on), and hence they do not appear in this list.

But at this time the Tomato is included whereas the other two are not...

As I do not know which place should be corrected I only leave this comment.--Skynden (talk) 10:40, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Plant list

This is a plant list from the SAS Survival Handbook by John Wiseman; includes some crops that haven't been mentioned (others have; double check); some crops can be used in cookery (such as rhubarb).

temperate climate crops berberis vulgaris, rosa canina, rosa rugosa, rubus caesius, crataegus, prunus spinosa, vaccinium, gaylussacia, sambucus nigra, juniperus communis, sorbus, morus, ribes, rubus chamaemorus, rubus spectabilis,

arctic/northern crops arcostaphylos uva-ursi,

tropical crops adansonia, cerationia siligua, nifpa fruticans, arenga pinnata, guiliema utilis, jessnia, oemocarpus, euterpe oleraccea, carica papaya, mangifera indica, annona squamosa, annona cherimola, annona reticulata, annona muricata, ficus, artocarpus, sterculia, aegle marmelos, antidesma, ti-plant, peresa americana, pandanus, spondias, ximenia, psidium guajavas, diospyros, nepheleum lappaceum, nephelium mutabile, durio zibethinus, syzygium malaccensis, syzygium aquaeum, averrhoa carambola, garcinia mangostana, artocarpus heterophyllus

Check and add in article accordingly KVDP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.176.12.176 (talk) 06:53, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

English names annoying

Can someone launch a request to stop giving the articles the english names, its annoying when adding stuff to the page and allot of the names are confusing and look silly (eg several plants are named things like "wild plum" or something when they are genetically not aligned to one another. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.245.91.20 (talk) 11:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Plant list 2

New plants to mention in Australian section: Astroloma humifusum, Amyema linophyllum, Amyema maidenii, Amyema pendulum, Amyema sanguineum, Antidesma bunis, Antidesma dallachyanum, Antidesma ghaesembilla, Billardiera scandens, Bruguiera gymnorrhiza, Buchanania arborescens, Buchanania muelleri, Buchanania obovata, Calamus caryotoides, Eugenia grandis, Eugenia reinwardtiana, Canthium latifolium, Leptomeria aphylla, Leptomeria acida, Hornstedtia scottiana, Leichhardtia australis/spp, Lysiana exocarpi, Lysiana murrayi, Ganophyllum falcatum, Capparis lasiantha, Capparis mitchellii, Capparis spinosa var. nummularia, Exocarpus latifolius, Cissus hypoglauca, Cucumis melo ssp agrestis, Cymbidium canaliculatum, Davidsonia pruriens, Diospyros australis, Diploglottis campbellii, Ficus platypoda, Ficus superba var. hennea, Ficus virens, Flueggea microcarpa, Flueggea virosa var. melanthesioides , Malaisa scandens, Mallotus nesophilus, Marsedia viridiflora, Microstemma tuberosum, Microstemma citrifolia, Musa acuminata, Persoonia falcata, Planchonella pohlmaniana, Planchonella arnhemica, Pleiogynum timorense, Podocarpus lawrenceii, Solanum cleistogamum, Solanum ellepticum, Solanum melanospermum, Solanum orbiculatum, Solanum phlomoides, Solanum laciniatum, Solanum linearifolium, Solanum petrophilum, Terminalia carpentariae, Terminalia ferdinandiana, Terminalia melanocarpa, Uvaria spp., Vitex glabrata

Some are probably mentioned already, check for doubbles List from book: Bush food:Aboriginal food and herbal medicine by Jennifer Isaacs KVDP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.182.173.51 (talk) 18:43, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

That is quite a lot. If you can add them by yourself, that would be more meaningful for your contribution? :) --Caspian blue 08:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism

Edited out some annoying vandalism. There were several fruits that had a stupid name then said: Found in the Tropics, and they had no links attached. There was ABC Fruit, GooGooGaGa Fruit, Money Fruit, and Beth Fruit... I got rid of em all. I'll keep an eye out for further vandalism... And I'll post my actual user name once I figure out my password. But for now... I'm 74.83.38.60 (talk) 21:44, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

???

What, if I may ask, are Reds? Redius gulilius? Wwm101 18:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I believe it's another case of vandalism. I'll remove it. Lambelkip (talk) 00:36, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Strawberry seems to be neglected and the whole concept of berry is a bit idiosyncratic.

Strawberries are among the most popular of culinary fruits, certainly the most popular berries (in the culinary sense) but hardly noted here.

The whole berry thing is wrong. There is a category called "true berries" which defines them as ericaceous. The Ericaceae are not true berries at all. They are, in fact, pseudoberries, false berries or hypogynous berries depending on who's doing the defining. They resemble small pomes more than they resemble berries. There are few true berries that are culinary berries: gooseberries, currants.

Mulberries are most definitely not berries; they are multiple fruits. If you're going to relegate strawberry to the obscure aggregate fruit category, you have to do the same with mulberry. Similar objections would pertain to about half of the fruits categorized here as berries.

this list is riddled with errors and marginally absurd categorizations. I've only touched on the problems. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.125.160.195 (talk) 02:47, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

fruitipedia

Check this website www.fruitipedia.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.91.237.187 (talk) 16:36, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

It's a very nice resource, but it appears to be self-published, so I don't think that it would be allowed as a reliable source. Waitak (talk) 17:17, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

true or false....

Oly Uzbekistan and Ukraine produce pome fruits.--85.164.220.159 (talk) 21:45, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

The apple is a pome, produced in many places, so no. Waitak (talk) 17:15, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Organization

This article's organization is way too complicated. In my opinion, we ought to have:

• A single organization that encompasses all of the fruits in the list
• Auxiliary indexes that point to the entries within the main organization

So, for example:

• List of culinary fruits by climate
  • Temperate fruits
  • Mediterranean and subtropical fruits
  • Tropical fruits

Using <span id="apple"> and so on to mark the entries, as per this suggestion, and then having a very simple list for each of the others, e.g.:

Fruits of Asian origin

Fruits native to Asia or of Asian origin:

• Arhat
• Batuan
• Bignay
• Bilimbi
• Breadfruit
• Buddha's Hand
• Woodapple
• Mango
• Indian gooseberry
• Charichuelo
• Calamondin
• Button Mangosteen
• Chinese Quince
• Che
• Durian
• Gac
• Gamboge
• Goumi
• Jambul
• Hardy Kiwi
• Kiwifruit or Chinese gooseberry
• Mock Strawberry or Indian Strawberry
• Garcinia dulcis
• Lanzones
• Lapsi
• Longan
• Lychee
• Mangosteen
• Marang
• Nungu
• Peach
• Persimmon
• Pomelo
• Rambutan
• Rhubarb
• Sageretia
• Salak
• Santol
• Carambola
• Wild Mangosteen

or perhaps even four columns.

This would have the effect of having a single "real" entry for each fruit, but be able to see which fruits belong to which category easily. The disadvantage is that looking together the links would be a bit of a pain. I'm also not at all sure that anything like this has ever been done in Wikipedia. We really need to do something here, though. The article's practically unmaintainable as is.

To save a little time in the discussion, here are some thoughts on other options:

• We could use tables, but if we did that, we'd still have all of the problems with organization (which entry is the "real" one?), and, in addition, wouldn't be able to link to an entry from other places.
• We could use a single table, and put the "Climate", "Geographical origin" and "Type of flora" in columns. The problem with that is that it wouldn't allow us to have encyclopedic descriptions of each of the subcategories in a place that's proximate to the lists of fruits within them.
• We could duplicate the entries in each place the the fruit belongs - that's essentially what we're doing now, and it's not maintainable.
• We could turn this into a bunch of different articles:

• List of culinary fruits by climate
• List of culinary fruits by geographical origin
• List of culinary fruits by type of flora

but then we've got the same problems we have now, only with more than one article.

The only way that I could come up with to have a single entry per fruit and preserve the encyclopedic descriptions of the categories and the lists of fruits within them is the proposal that I've outlined above.

I'd be happy to do the conversion, but I wanted to float it for comments before I dive in. Any major objections or counter-proposals? Waitak (talk) 17:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

I've taken the first step of a reorganization. Thus far, I've:

• Added tags (as above) to all of the fruits in the "by climate" section
• Removed several duplicates
• Pointed all entries like "Apple, Sugar" to the corresponding name ("Sugar apple")
• Removed a few items that were definitely not fruits
• Replaced all of the <div -moz-column-count=2...> instances with {{div col}}

I've bumped into a few issues in the process:

1. I'm not at all sure that all of these things are culinary fruits. There are some that I've removed that definitely aren't. I think that we need to go through this list carefully and evaluate each entry
2. There are some entries that are only in one major section. In particular, most of the fruits that are of African origin are only listed in that section. I imagine that there are a lot more. Waitak (talk) 18:49, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

The basic reorganization is now finished. Basically, the "real" entry for each fruit, with no exceptions, is in the alphabetical list. The three following sections contain only common names with internal hyperlinks to the main entry in the article for the fruit. Time will tell if other editors maintain the structure of the list as it currently stands. I'll keep an eye on it for contributions that either put full entries in other places, or don't add an ID for new main entries. Comments and discussion are warmly invited. Waitak (talk) 19:39, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Dubious entries

The following are entries that may not belong in this list, because they don't fit the definition of culinary fruits. Some others that clearly don't have already been removed from the list.

• American Chestnut
• American Hazelnut
• Avocado
• Betel nut
• Bottle gourd
• Bush tomato
• Doubah
• Emu apple
• Indian almond
• Juniper berry
• Kapok
• Kutjera
• Morinda citrifolia
• Mountain pepper
• Nutmeg
• Olive
• Phalsa
• Pigeon pea
• Pili nut
• Pistachio

Waitak (talk) 17:15, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

"Nutmeg" in the list refers to the culinary fruit, the seed of which is used as the common spice. I added "fruit" for clarification. Ortho (talk) Ortho (talk) 03:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Culinary fruits by geographical origin: Europe Missing

Europe appears to be missing from the Culinary fruits by geographical origin section of this page.

Does anyone know why?

(Wiki3ditorial (talk) 23:34, 6 December 2011 (UTC))

Off-hand, I'd guess because no-one has had access to a list of fruits that are native to Europe. If you've got one, post the source here. If someone's got time to look it over, perhaps we can add that as a section. Waitak (talk) 23:41, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Yew berries aren't edible, are they?

I see Yew listed with Gymnosperms with fruit like structures but they're poisonous, aren't they? I don't think they belong on a list of Culinary Fruits, potentially dangerously misleading. Dog Walking Girl (talk) 06:12, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, the seeds are poisonous, so for safety's sake it does seem best to remove them from this list. Nadiatalent (talk) 14:32, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

The seed in the center of a yew berry is very poisonous, like the rest of the yew plant, but the fleshy red part that surrounds the seed and is separate from it, is edible. However it is probably better not to list it. Invertzoo (talk) 14:55, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Why not just add a note that the seeds are poisonous if necessary. Apple seeds are also toxic. This doesn't stop it from being a culinary fruit. Candleabracadabra (talk) 15:04, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

No "multiple fruits"

The omission of this category seems odd, when accessory fruits are included. Pineapple would belong in both categories. Nadiatalent (talk) 14:37, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

What are these mysterious unpopular fruits?

The following very tantalizing phrase appears at the beginning of the article: "There also exist many fruits which are edible and palatable but for various reasons have not become popular." But there seems to be no way to get access to that information. If someone who knows what that sentence is talking about could make a list of these, that'd be great. 24.55.17.191 (talk) 16:04, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Uhm, culinary fruits of European origin?

Why is there no such list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2ED6:9470:2119:C9C2:6F6D:B605 (talk) 19:57, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

This page is terrible to navigate on mobile

So say I'm looking at fruit by climate such as temperate fruit, when I click a link for say peaches I expect to go to the page on peaches. Instead I get flung down to the alphabetical list where I can find the link to peaches. Then to navigate back to the list of temperate fruits I must scroll up through a massive alphabetical list and find where I was at in the by climate list.

Why would anyone think this is a good idea? It's needlessly complicated and makes the process a pain to navigate on mobile. Kentynet (talk) 10:18, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

One giant sortable table?

The list used to be categorized using geographical origin, climate, and botanical part as well, but was simplified because having each fruit appearing in three different places was unwieldy. Still, I can imagine these information being useful for some readers. Can we add these back as columns so that readers can sort the list to find what they want? Yel D'ohan (talk) 00:32, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

I would strongly advise not. "Giant sortable tables" are extremely unwieldy to deal with on mobile devices (it's next to impossible to make them fit on a screen without having to repeatedly scroll back and forth across the page like on an old manual typewriter) and also extremely unwieldy to copyedit (because there aren't section breaks, there are a lot of codes, and it is very difficult to find the specific box worth of text that has the misspelled word [especially if one is editing from a mobile device and can't do a Ctrl-F]). I do a lot of mobile-device reading and editing and tables are almost completely unworkable in most circumstances. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 00:49, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

As much as I think knowing more things about the fruits in one glance is a good thing, I agree that three columns appears to be the limit, before it starts looking really squished on mobile. Another thing I've noticed that's been done, is you've made separate sections for anonnas, figs, and sapotes. Do you have an alternate way of organizing this page that puts fruit of the same lineage together? For context, the reason I chose to organize it in a broader way, is to try and not have so many different sections of fruit families being on the page. However, I can see what you're doing as just an alternate way of organizing this page. In any case, it shouldn't have two methods of organization, yet I don't exactly know which one would be better for this. I do admit that I've strangely organized melons by family myself, as opposed to physical characteristics like the others. --WeegeeTheDoggo (talk) 05:36, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't really have any preference or suggestion on how we should group them. The reason I moved those into their own sections is because the term "tropical fruit" seems Euro-centric, but leaving a lot of fruits under "other fruits" is not ideal. Yel D'ohan (talk) 10:28, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Tropical fruits

Tropical fruit was previously discussed here, and then merged into this article, with a redirect left behind. However the article now does not have a list of tropical fruits. I have replaced the redirect with the original article content. Thanks/wangi (talk) 08:38, 21 September 2022 (UTC)