Wikipedia:Peer review/Mahjong/archive1

Mahjong

I re-submit this article for peer review, after loads of fab photos and diagrams have been added. I drew all the Mahjong tiles by myself — sheer drudgery, but I'm happy with my contribution. :-) -- Jerry Crimson Mann 11:36, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this is a largely comprehensive article about the general principles - no specifics yet. However, this article may require proofreading, and perhaps more detail (for one thing, no one I know knows the American rules, so information on American rules may be questionable). Still, comments are desperately needed. kelvSYC 05:08, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The history section focuses a bit much on North America and Europe. I'd like to see more history on the influence and popularity of Mahjong in Asia. --Malathion 12:43, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Expanded. :) -- Jerry Crimson Mann 06:24, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nice, thanks. What you've added is interesting and I'd like if you could expand even further, but it's fine for now. Two more important things:

The article has some POV language and unsourced claims, for example saying The most reasonable theory... Most reasonable according to whom? Why is it more reasonable than another theory? You need evidence to back up such a judgment of "reasonability", but it's best not to make them at all.
It's a bit heavy on the fair use images and at least one of them doesn't have license information at all. Please make sure all the license info is accurate and try to replace fair use images with free license images, or cut them outright. --malathion ^talk 10:36, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

POV and licence fixed. :) Wanna know is it erroneous to use fair-use images? Some illustrations are captured from movies, so {{film-screenshot}} tag is used. With the guideline provided by Wikipedia, I think my use is legitimate. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 15:15, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I don't think it's erroneous, no. But I think that the article is excessively heavy on the images, especially since they all seem to be coming from a TV show that has limited significance to mahjong in the grand scheme of things. I just think the image content of this article needs to be toned down a bit, and those images could be axed without disrupting anything else in the article. --malathion ^talk 00:39, 19 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I do think it's erroneous. The article isn't commenting significantly on the movie, it's about the game. note the first counter example in what's not fair use in Wikipedia:Fair use is "An image of a rose, captured off of a record album jacket, used to illustrate an article on roses." You're using these images to illustrate aspects of the game rather than comment on the movie (eg Image:MJ flower.jpg). Second, fair use images should be "no larger than required for the web based article". The previous example is 960 by 536, which is too large. The thumbnail that is 250 pixels wide is large enough for any fair use image that you need to include. Finally, and most importantly, fair use is for images that we have no other way of obtaining, surely you must know someone who has a digital camera and a Mahjong set. Matt 05:56, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Show me those pictures with less significance, please. To me, these pics help very well with the visual explanation of the contents. (One more thing, though trivial: those images are from Mahjong movies, not simply a TV show :) ). -- Jerry Crimson Mann 14:36, 19 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think at the least the following images could be cut without removing anything meaningful from the article:Image:MJ_Gong.jpg Image:MJ_Pong.jpg Image:MJ_discarding.jpg Image:MJFilipinoMaids.jpg --malathion ^talk 03:37, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]