Talk:Battle of El Caney

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Given that El Caney was a peripheral combat in the overall Battle for San Juan Hill, a plain and obvious American victory, I've analysed its outcome in the greater strategic context and labelled it "Indecisive", in the same way that the Australians can win some localized battles at Gallipoli but still lose the battle overall. My rationale is this: there was little doubt that the Spaniards would cede the hill at El Caney. It was a question of time: Lawton planned to overrun tEl Caney quickly and surge south to outflank the Spaniards at San Juan. Vara del Rey prevented this. -- Albrecht 05:02, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

More bias here!! No el caney was an american victory. The whole war was a victory. This article is very POV. When you put the losses and say that if spain was 'properly lead'. What does that mean. Who says they weren't? (68.227.211.175 02:23, 22 February 2006 (UTC))[reply]

(Note: not sure if you realize that I did not write the article text; nor am I convinced that your comment was added with a view to improving the article in any meaningful way) The "indecisive" label is both fair and accurate. Taking an enemy position isn't grounds for victory if the place had value only in context of a larger simultaneous battle. Fundamentally: Vara del Rey succeeded in his objectives; Lawton failed in his. Where's the victory in that? As for the "properly led" comment, I think the problem here has more to do with weasel words and the lack of a citation than with any particular POV. The statement is essentially true, as many historians have indeed remarked: the war was lost by atrocious strategy at the political and army bureaucracy levels, not because of any human or material quality lacking in the Spanish troops or field commanders. El Caney is a good example of this. Albrecht 02:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Spaniards are moslty if not all are winnners.

The Americans are not destined to beat the Spanish Army. They need overwhelingly(10 times to be exact) better resources to overcome a teenage Spanish Soldier

Yet we kicked your Spanish butts right?--Az81964444 (talk) 03:10, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WHO DO YOU THINK WON THE WAR IDIOT, you dont belong on wiki, clearly.

The lesser of two evils

who i should feel sorry for, the Americans who suffered 3 times more dead than Spaniards or Vara Del Rey's bravery.

It depends, if in the Thermophile battle you felt sorry for the Persian dead.. --213.37.71.217 (talk) 14:55, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Phyyric Victory

Out of almost 10,000 men, 81 dead and 360 wounded is not a phyyric victory. It was a costly victory for the U.S. obviously but not phyyric.--Az81964444 (talk) 03:13, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]