Talk:Bratva

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People, wait with your movement! Give me a month for expanding. AlexPU

Good, the article is growing but I do not understand why is it mentioned as primarily Ukrainian, it's Russian term for gangsters, and I did not know before that it was used in Ukraine. Gnomz007 20:23, 22 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, it's not Ukrainian it's Russian, please, don't get me wrong, but stating that it is "Ukrainian term for Ukrainaian mafia" is just incorrect, it is a term used in Russia and Ukraine, it's just what you may hear it in your own context(like accusations against Yanukovych), while I keep hearing about 'Питерская братва' (mafia of St.Petersburg), 'местная братва' (local mafia), etcetera ad nauseum. Gnomz007 00:31, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

From what I know I believe it is of Ukranian origin (much like the Mafia from Sicily or the Neopolitan Camorra in Italy) although is a branch of Russian organized crime from the Soviet Union. 64.12.116.197 21:58, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Bratva is an old Russian term for "camaraderie". Its bandit usage came into circulation only in late Soviet Union. By no means it is a "branch". In any case, this usage is a neologism in Russian and the usage is not stabilized. In many cases I am aware, bratva specifically refers to bands involved in violent business, like extrotion, "protection" (from extortion by other bandits) called krysha ("Roof" in Russian), etc. the current article is very naive, but I don't have enough knowledge to fix it: I am more than 10 years behind the developments in former Soviet Union. mikka (t) 22:36, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I sorted it to {{ukraine-stub}} because the first line says "Bratva is a Ukrainian term ...". Feel free to both restub it to {{russia-stub}} and fix the first line. --ScottDavis 09:10, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Merger

Support no reason to maintain two articles on the Russian mafia. - the.crazy.russian τ ç ë 14:42, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]