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On 7 June 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Albert, 12th Prince of Thurn and Taxis to Albert von Thurn und Taxis. The result of the discussion was moved.

Untitled

Can someone find his DOB?

FYI, I began this article, and posted the DOB question prior to signing on. Hiberniantears 19:21, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Name

If you read Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles) say: "Do not apply an ordinal in an article title to a pretender, i.e., someone who has not reigned". --Hinzel 20:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is true that he is the second Fürst named Albert. But I know of no source which calls him "Albert II" to distinguish him from his great-grandfather (who is currently called "Albert I" in Wikipedia). In the case of the heads of mediatized houses, it is much more common for them to be distinguished by their number as head of the house (like English dukes), i.e. "Albert, 12th Prince of Thurn and Taxis". I suggest that this page be moved to that name, and that the great-grandfather be moved to "Albert, 8th Prince of Thurn and Taxis". Please note that the members of this family are known even in German as Albert (not Albrecht). Noel S McFerran (talk) 00:08, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, sounds like a good idea. I'm going to go ahead and move them... Morhange (talk) 06:22, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to remind that his legal given names are Albert Maria Lamoral Miguel Johannes Gabriel and his surname is Prinz von Thurn und Taxis. In Germany royal titles have been declared void by law, and that much before the person in question was even born. He may be self-styled 12th Prince of Thurn and Taxis (just like I might be), but that doesn't affect his legal name. -134.93.52.128 (talk) 23:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In light of ths, I'd suggest correcting the first line of the article to correspond with this legal name, and the last line of the article, by changing "Fürst" to "Prinz." Phytism (talk) 16:54, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That may be all well right legally but unless you happened to be Prince Albert himself, I might nonetheless say that saying you might be "self-styled" 12th Prince of Thurn and Taxis just as well as him, is plain nonsense. No offense. --84.154.58.56 (talk) 09:40, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with most people above. I moved the article. /Julle (talk) 15:26, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not a prince

This person is not a prince and shouldn't be described as such. "Prinz" is his surname, not a title. Germany is a republic and doesn't have princes. --Timtranslates (talk) 21:42, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree and changed the name to "Albert von Thurn und Taxis" to be in line with the German wiki article.

I think the page itself should also be renamed to remove the defunct title. D1551D3N7 (talk) 11:15, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You should have asked for a discussion to reach a consensus before moving this page, and so many others. Please revert your move and open up a move discussion. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 00:59, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 18:16, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]